Interview: Kat Cizek

by James McNally on December 10, 2009

in DVD,Directors,Documentaries,Interviews

Kat Cizek

The National Film Board recently released Filmmaker-in-Residence, a DVD box set of Katerina (Kat) Cizek’s pion­eering work with St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto. Cizek was “embedded” as a film­maker working at the hos­pital for a period of sev­eral years and was free to pursue any story she found inter­esting. The res­ulting work included sev­eral films, a photo exhibit, and one of the earliest and best uses of the web to tell doc­u­mentary stories. And quite apart from the innov­ative use of tech­no­logy, the pro­ject has had an enduring pos­itive effect on the com­munity the hos­pital serves. To describe her work as life-changing would be no exaggeration.

In yet another con­nec­tion from my time at the Summer Institute of Film and Television this spring, Kat was teaching a work­shop and because she and Peter Wintonick (my work­shop teacher) had worked together on a film (Seeing Is Believing), they swapped classes for a day. I knew imme­di­ately that Kat was someone who was very in tune with poten­tial of new tech­no­lo­gies, espe­cially the web, and so I was eager to see her work with St. Mike’s. I’m still working my way through this generously-packed box set, but I had the chance to ask her some ques­tions about the pro­ject via email. Special thanks to the NFB’s Jennifer Mair for facil­it­ating the interview.


James McNally (JM): The Filmmaker-in-Residence pro­ject seemed to evolve as a part­ner­ship between you and St. Michael’s Hospital. Can you tell me about how it started? Who approached whom?

Kat Cizek (KC): The pro­ject actu­ally began as a dia­logue between the NFB and the Hospital. Tom Perlmutter, then head of English pro­gram­ming at the NFB (and now Chairperson), met the Hospital’s VP of research, Dr. Art Slutsky. Tom learned about the innov­a­tion in the Inner City Health Unit of the Hospital, and so he asked the NFB’s Ontario Centre to send in a researcher. A superb research doc­u­ment came out of it, but its focus was really on con­ven­tional doc­u­mentary stories in the Hospital. That’s when Peter Starr, the NFB pro­ducer on the pro­ject at the time, asked me in to come in. I had just fin­ished a film called Seeing Is Believing (co-directed with Peter Wintonick), about the use of new tech­no­lo­gies in human rights con­texts. Peter Starr and Tom asked me to recon­sider the Hospital in the con­text of revis­iting the NFB’s Challenge for Change pro­gram (1967–1980) in the digital con­text, and that’s when it got really exciting: the idea to think of the Hospital as a labor­atory, a place to exper­i­ment with the new tools of media cre­ation with the aim to actu­ally make a dif­fer­ence in people’s lives. Peter saw the pro­ject through the approval pro­cess at the NFB, and then Senior Producer Gerry Flahive took the reins from Peter, guiding the pro­ject through a very com­plex and inter­esting con­trac­tual nego­ti­ation with the Hospital. That pro­cess took over two years!

JM: Was this ini­tially about helping St. Mike’s with their public out­reach and fun­draising, or was it primarily about edu­cating the com­munity, and per­haps their own staff, too?

KC: This was never about public rela­tions. The instinct came from the heart of doc­u­mentary as well as aca­demic research — to ask real ques­tions, and dis­cover the mul­ti­pli­city of answers as we went along, rather than trying to push answers from the begin­ning. Our aim was not even edu­ca­tional in the con­ven­tional sense; we did not have a set agenda to convey or teach to audi­ences at the begin­ning of the pro­cess. Filmmaker-in-Residence is about Interventionist Media. We chose pro­jects in which doc­u­mentary could really play an important role in the dis­covery of new know­ledge, of new ways of doing things. Not simply to observe and record, but to par­ti­cipate and be part of the pro­cess of intervention.

JM: You developed a very thor­ough “mani­festo” for the pro­ject. Can you tell me how much of that was in place from the begin­ning and how much was added as you immersed your­self more in the project?

KC: The cre­ation of the mani­festo was my attempt to cla­rify the philo­sophies and meth­od­o­logy of the pro­ject. I wrote it about two years into the pro­ject. I was still having a hard time with people under­standing what we were about, so I drew up the mani­festo in an effort to help people “get it.” It’s been a really great tool with part­ners and audi­ences to get at the core of the FIR approach.

JM: How did you come to for­mu­late these par­tic­ular prin­ciples of doc­u­mentary film­making and have they come to be abso­lutes for you, or were they fitted to this par­tic­ular project?

KC: No, I abso­lutely have no abso­lutes… the mani­festo is not a code of law, it is simply an attempt to chal­lenge some of the con­ven­tions of doc­u­mentary film­making, and to grasp what are some of the found­a­tions of our approach that make it dif­ferent from linear film­making. Documentary is a lan­guage; it is organic, not static and it is some­thing that changes over time with us.

JM: For instance, your injunc­tion to “use doc­u­mentary and media to ‘par­ti­cipate’ rather than just to observe and to record” con­tra­dicts the advice of many doc­u­mentary film­makers who would never put them­selves into the story. In your case, I get the sense that the res­ults are more important to you than the quality of the films them­selves. Is that a fair assessment?

KC: Well, for one thing, quality does matter! Why bother making media if you aren’t striving to tell an important, enga­ging story? I have always con­sidered myself platform-agnostic: I have worked in pho­to­graphy, print, radio, video, Internet, etc. etc. In this sense, I was less inter­ested in the media I was using, and more inter­ested in why I use it and to what political/social end. For me, “making media” is not an end in itself. It is called media for a reason — to “mediate.” That is what I am inter­ested in — implic­ating ourselves in the world we live in. This, I believe, is the first instinct of doc­u­mentary. I started out as a stu­dent pho­to­journ­alist behind the bar­ri­cades at Kanehsatake during the Oka crisis in 1990 – a 72-day armed stan­doff between the Canadian army and a First Nations com­munity that had chal­lenged a neigh­bouring town’s efforts to put in a golf course over an ances­tral Mohawk cemetery. A group of us stu­dents went on to raise money and pub­lish a 36-page news­print booklet about the his­tor­ical causes of the crisis. We printed 6,000 copies and handed it out for free. After a few months, we started receiving lots and lots of mail from prisons across North America — from incar­cer­ated First Nations people, writing to thank us for the book and telling us their own stories. It was incred­ibly touching and really a test­a­ment to the power of media. You never really know who you might reach, what change you might effect…

JM: If my above asser­tion is true, what makes the work dif­ferent from some of the good old-fashioned “medi­cinal” doc­u­ment­aries that we saw growing up (and still see today)? Aren’t you just making agit­prop as a director-for-hire?

KC: I think I’ve addressed a lot of this above — our work was not about having answers before we started shooting, but really to ask honest ques­tions in the con­text of doc­u­mentary and aca­demic research. It’s important to note that Filmmaker-in-Residence was funded 100% by the NFB, and the NFB retained 100% edit­orial con­trol. So we had the final say in the work that was pro­duced, not the Hospital. The work was also framed in many cases as aca­demic research, so our pro­cess needed to meet the cri­teria of sci­entific inquiry (i.e. pro­duced under aca­demic freedom). Our pro­cess also had to stand in front of the Hospital’s Research and Ethics Board, so we were held to the highest standard of eth­ical code within med­ical research. This is much more rig­orous than any clas­sical doc­u­mentary pro­ject I’ve ever known.

JM: I’m so glad you included the doc on the NFB’s Challenge for Change pro­gram in the box set, because although I’d heard of it, I’d never actu­ally seen any of the films or heard the film­makers dis­cuss the rationale behind it. Do you see Filmmaker-in-Residence as the heir to that pro­gramme or was it just more of an inspiration?

KC: FIR shares DNA with Challenge for Change, but it’s not just a rep­lic­a­tion. We needed to really chal­lenge ourselves tech­no­lo­gic­ally, cre­at­ively and polit­ic­ally in the con­text of our times. So I con­sider there to be three major rivers of influ­ence on FIR: Challenge for Change, the Video Advocacy move­ment of WITNESS (the group I pro­filed in Seeing Is Believing) and we were also heavily inspired by the inter­ven­tionist research pro­cess from the med­ical world.

JM: What do you see as the main dif­fer­ence between then and now in terms of the polit­ical cli­mate for this sort of filmmaking?

KC: The media land­scape has changed dra­mat­ic­ally in 40 years, and its role and our under­standing of media within a polit­ical con­text is incred­ibly dif­ferent from 1969! We are living through the most important revolu­tion since the Industrial Revolution: the Digital Revolution. Its implic­a­tions are yet to be fully under­stood, but the demo­crat­izing poten­tial of this revolu­tion is huge. We need to har­ness the tech­no­logy for this, as it does not come auto­mat­ic­ally. That’s where pro­jects like FIR, and many other com­munity media pro­jects around the world, come in.

JM: Can you tell us a little about your next multi-year pro­ject, Highrise? How much of the mani­festo and methods from Filmmaker-in-Residence will you apply to the new pro­ject? What do you hope to accomplish?

KC: Highrise springs from FIR, but we are taking the ideas to a global level, and working on a dif­ferent scale. When we started FIR, YouTube and Facebook didn’t exist yet. So this time around, we are staying even more flex­ible, and looking toward new tech in a more con­certed way. But the FIR prin­ciples are there, that same doc­u­mentary instinct is there. It’s really more about big ques­tions than answers, and looking to col­lab­or­a­tion and par­ti­cip­a­tion as central to the process.

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